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Re: ripped panels
On May 16, 2009
We just had a terrible wind storm in Albuquerque and it ripped two of the top panels where they join the grommet on my GroDome 20 Greenhouse.
Order two replacement Panels for top of 20' GD
Alternatively you can replace a whole panel if a tear is immediately adjacent to a clip. Order the same panel from Shelter Systems. 1) Arrange the replacement panel over top of the damaged panel so that it is in the same orientation.2) Remove only one clip from your dome being careful not to disrupt the layering sequence of the panels on your dome. If you can not get the clip off use a pliers and brake the ring part of the clip (you will receive 4 extra Heavy Duty Grip Clips with each replacement panels). 3) Take your time to carefully slide out the corner of your damaged panel and insert your replacement panel into the same layering sequence as that of the damaged panel. 4) Now with all layers in the same order and orientation as before; gather these tightly around the male clip and slip over the female clip as described below. When many layers are involved as is the case with the corners of the windows, attaching the female clip can be difficult; practicing on scraps and making the layers warm with the sun or heat lamp (be careful not to melt the covering by getting it to hot) can help. If your dome is flattened by snow, carefully remove the snow without tearing its covering. You may find it will pop back up or that you have to remove some of the poles and set up again. Replace any broken poles.
Am I going to have to take the dome down or can I use a ladder on the inside? The panels are at the top of the dome.
It can be done by removing all poles around each of the 9 Grip Clips that join the two top panels. It will be tricky putting the poles back in but doable. Be sure to wear eye protection.
Date: May 14, 2009
I see that my wild guess at the shipping was way off but this is a big dome. As to the two way open arch. It may be possible but it will weaken the structure. If you decide to go that way put the dome up and secure it first then remove the poles under one arch at a time. Unclip by the two doors bases and roll up and tie the covering under the arch. See what you think; then do the other side and check to see that the dome is strong enough for you. If you expect wind, do Not create open arch ways as the dome is weaken and could fail.
Subject: Re: Geo-
On May 13, 2009,
We do make our domes using a greenhouse covering: http://www.shelter-systems.com/greenhouses.html
Shelter Systems' Special Super Strong Woven Ripstop Films
Shelter Systems' Translucent Greenhouse Covering (to the right): Lets 90% of sunlight through (more than glass). UV transmission is over 75%. Designed for greenhouse and solar use.
Greenhouse fabric: uvB=59% transmission; uvA=68% transmission; visible light transmission=84%
To Whom It May Concern:
What is your appication? is it to be inside?
One source: http://www.bayteccontainers.com/waterbarrels.html but I would think you could find these in a city near where you live.
Most customers have banners printed on white vinyl by a banner printer and then hang them against the walls of the dome.
Subject: Re: Grip Clips
On May 10, 2009
You can use them on 4 and 6 mill plastic sheets. We do not "yet" have them at Home Depot or other retailers.
Please see attached quote. I was a bit shocked at the price for shipping to be honest. We ship UPS Air. They are usually a bit expensive but very dependable and fast but these prices are really high. I would recommend trying to ship somewhere in the United States and then shipping the goods to yourself in some other way. Total shipping cost for shipping within the US for the same order is only $560.
You will be responsible for any additional import fees, duties and taxes if applicable.
Thank you for your continued interest in our products and please let me know if you have any additional questions.
On Apr 24, 2009
We only offer the domes in white.
On May 6, 2009
we have am 18'(?) dome and it is not faring so well in our recent windstorms- this afternoon it got sort of squashed down on one side- I pulled it back into shape- will need to replace one piece of pipe- we have spares for that job.
because the dome is not yet in use- we have had the doors rolled up- in your experience does that make any difference for handling wind- maybe 20 mph gusts.
anything else we might do to remedy this problem?
Your dome is considerably stronger with the doors hooked closed. The reason for this is that when the door coverings are hooked closed they add diagonal tension lines to the otherwise unsupported openings.
On Apr 30, 2009
I'm involved in an archeology project and we are considering buying
Re: Question regarding Extra Strong 18' Yurt Dome
Yes, if you spread the load out a bit. Attach loads to clips at the pole crossings (inside (they each have 2 holes) or out (there are cords)). If you have to have the entire load all at one clip then I would recommend that you add a support pole inside extending from the clip to the ground of 2" by 2" wood.
If you end up using one of our domes we would love to see a photo.
Re: yurt vs tipis
On Apr 29, 2009
i'm researching housing options and wondering how your solor domes compare to tipis. my main concern is heating and light, as i intend to use this in all weather. is there a way to have a fire? also. how long are those poles?
Our domes and tipis each have there advantages and disadvantages.
Advantages: Our domes are light weight (18' is 70 lb, portable (poles 5.5' long); good head room and easy to put up (1 hour, first time); easy to heat and good solar influx
Advantages: Tipis shed snow well, you can have an open fire (my experience has always been smokey however)
Two years ago I bought the GroDome 14 and have been experimenting with it ever since. Since I live the the northeast where spring temperatures can fluctuate considerably (30 F at night to 50 F during the day), I am having trouble keeping a consistent temperature inside the dome. After temperatures in the dome start to heat up during the late morning (up to 80-90 F) I open the flaps and try to maintain a temperature in the 70s but when I close up at night, despite keeping the dome as tightly sealed as possible (the dome sits on the south side of my house, over a garden plot) I can't stop the temperatures from dropping into the 40s during the night (I am using max min monitor). Ideas I have considered include getting a kalwall cylinder to hold water and thus be a heat source during the night and getting the GroDome liner to prevent heat loss but these are big expenses. I use sand bags to tighten the 4 doors at the interface with the ground holding the fabric tighter against the dome. Do you have any other suggestions for me? I am trying to grow dwarf fruit trees in containers inside the dome but the temperature swings seem too severe.
Thanks for any help here
Subject: Greenhouse question
I am not an expert in managing greenhouse temperatures but I suggest you consider the following ideas:
* The soil that your plants are in most likely will be warmer than the air in your dome at night in that the ground has absorbed some of the warmth of the day.
* Bring in containers of water into your greenhouse these will absorb some of warmth of the day and release it at night.
* You can make your own liner from inexpensive 2 or 4 mill polyethene sheeting. One way to do that is to take a large sheet and with a Grip Clip join the center of the sheet to the inside of the top clip of your dome. Working your way down join and shape the sheet to fit tight inside your dome with other clips.
Date: April 23, 2009
Thank you for your interest in our shelters. I am not sure if our domes will meet your expectations but they have been used for extended time in many locations: see: http://www.shelter-systems.com/yurt-dome-testimonials.html
Our dome's coverings are UV stabilized and tent to last in excess 3 years but this depends also on the local conditions including elevation. Our covering has been tested in FL and AZ USA and in that harsh sun climate it lasted 3+ years. We guanretee it for 1.5 years as we cannot control how or where they are used.
We do offer bug net doors: http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html but these will not make your dome insect "proof" as insects find their way in all types of dwellings. Take a look at our manual if you have not already done so: http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html
I would suggest that if you are interested in our YurtDomes that you start by getting one and seeing if it will work for you before committing to four. I also recommend that you get a sunshade: http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html
On Apr 10, 2009
I'm really excited to find your site, I have been looking for several years for a huge tent with a reasonable price tag. I travel to Utah a couple of times a year to climb. Just hang out in the desert and enjoy the beauty of the place with friends. The group tent functions for cooking and when the weather is too cold or windy to hang out under the stars.
I have no experience with the Eureka tent you talk about but my guess is that the 18'er would work for you. Do read our wind warning: http://www.shelter-systems.com/warning.html
You may want some sticky back velcro for your doors if you are in a windy area. http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html
You could take some velcro and the white tape mentioned in the online manual: http://www.shelter-systems.com/lighthouse-manual.html with you just in case.
I just got back from a month trip to the high desert, spring time is typically windy, periods of rain and snow ,(not more then a few inches for the most part).
Just something to pile sand on to keep the wind from going underneath.
On Apr 9, 2009
Subject: dust and wind
Is anything playa dust proof? What we offer are very strong dome tents that have been used a Burning Man for the past 15 years. There are most likely 100's at use each year now and they have held up well with winds at Burning Man so far. But they are still not 100% playa dust proof. Our domes, as we provide them, do quite well on the playa and with some additional prep work with tape and velcro (see online manual: http://www.shelter-systems.com/lighthouse-manual.html ) can be significantly improved). All this does not mean that our domes are dust proof or that they can hold up to any wind. Our strongest domes are the 10', 18' and 30'. Be sure to read our wind warnings: http://www.shelter-systems.com/warning.html
On Apr 7, 2009
We do offer a floor; see: http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html
Please also see our Online Manual: http://www.shelter-systems.com/lighthouse-manual.html
On Apr 2, 2009
We are interested in purchasing a yurt dome for a project we are working on.
1) Is the fabric integral to the structure or can the pole structure stand up
The pole structure will not stand without the covering.
Shelter Systems' Special Super Strong Woven Ripstop Films
Date: March 27, 2009
Finally, where are you located? Is there a way to see one of your domes in person before buying one?
My guess is our domes will work for you. They handle rain well. And wind except for the extreme. Our two strongest domes are the 18 and 30'. but unless you get hit with a big one all our domes are strong. They are also field repairable as the poles are PVC and can be repaired with an inserted section of a branch.
Some pages you might want to look at are: http://www.shelter-systems.com/lighthouse-manual.html
See for pack size: http://www.shelter-systems.com/sizes.html You can also vacuum pack:
You can use a house vacuum to compress your packed dome to about 1/2 its volume; roll and pack up your dome as above; warp in its wrapper it came with; tape the long seam of the wrapper; tape any holes in the wrapper. twist one end tight and then fold and tape this twisted end to the package; insert your vacuum hose in the other end twist and tape it tight; turn on your vacuum; with the vacuum on push on the package and it will compress to about 1/2 its original size; now tape around and around your package with the vacuum still on (this is to hold the package compressed when you remove the vacuum. now remove the vacuum and tape the end of your package closed.
You may want to get a sunshade and floor: http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html
We are in Northern California and do not have a showroom. We do not give out customers information but do look at:
On Mar 20, 2009
The simple fix it UV stable white tape: Get Scotch Heavy Duty Gray All-Weather Duct Tape and or Scotch Transparent Long Lasting Duct Tape 1-800-494-3552 (regular duct tape does not hold up in the sun) both tapes are available at many hardware stores. The Heavy Duty lasts a bit longer in the sun then the Transparent but both hold up well over time. The Transparent looks better. Use for sealing up unused doors, floor to wall or shingleing when in extream dust conditions.
A longer lasting fix is: Repair a small hole: The simplest way to repair a hole or cut in the covering is to cut a patch from the material the dome came wrapped in. Use 100% silicon rubber to glue your patch on the outside of the tear. If the tear is small you may be able to plug it up with a blob of silicon rubber alone.
Be sure to update your manual: http://www.shelter-systems.com/lighthouse-manual.html
I found your site searching for a solution to hammering grommets in sports towels. I print photos on products, looking to improve on the towels available to me. Finding metal grommets hard on fabrics after repeated washings (towels stretch and grommet falls out), not to mention how hard metal grommets are on washing machine tubs.
I've located a clip system that might work or might eventually destroy the fabric after repeated clippings, it too is metal.
Target audience: golfers, water sports, runners, strollers....
Looking for an easy-on easy-off product that could incorporate a clip for hanging on a belt loop or bag.
My questions are:
What thickness can your product work with? Needs to secure a folded microfiber towel
Size - do you have a smaller version - about 1" in diameter?
Can your product survive a washer and dryer treatment (or hundreds?)
Thanks for your time, I appreciate any feedback you can provide.
Light-Fabric Grip Clip Black (1 3/8") is tough and small. Use for thin nylon tarps and fabric. Weight ..2 oz, White Micro Grip Clip (1 1/8") ultra light Weight .085 oz
The light fabric can clip one layer of the 4 mill blue tarps.
Also see: http://shelter-systems.com/gripclips/ultra-light-silicon-tarps.html where you can add a "gasket" to grip thinner cloth.
I have not noticed any deterioration in the grip clips due to washer and dryers. You should test it in your own dryer to confirm it works to your specs.
On Mar 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Geodesic Turts
The price for pole sets is 10% cost of the dome. Do note that they do not include connectors and will not stand without the covering. The covering stabilized and strengthens the pole sets.
On Mar 14, 2009
If so, how is the smoke expelled?
Also see above manual.
Do you sell accessories for stove pipes?
No but suggest you use isolated stove pipe and fittings designed for that pipe to run it through the plywood safely.
What temperatures have these tents endured?
They will handle the heat of a very hot day but if you are talking about your stove: keep it about 20" from your wall or far enough that you can keep your hand there without it getting too hot or you could melt the dome's cover.
On Mar 16, 2009
we did have a previous storm- and I did go out and knock the snow off- but it was after the storm was over, so I extrapolated and felt that it would not be necessary until the storm was over- wrong !!
anyway- short of paying better attention to the weather and shaking snow off during the storm, is there anything else we could do to help prevent this problem in the future?
Subject: Re: problem with dome shelter
You may want to consider putting a small stove in your dome which you could turn on when you are not around to melt the snow and cause it to slide off. You may be able to rig up a device to turn on or up your stove when a certain weight of snow fell when you were not around. I have not done this my self but it would seem to be possible. Take care so that your stove will not get so hot it melts your dome and that any device you make works with out error.
On Mar 14, 2009
Hello Eleanor and Bob,
The frame is supported and stabilized by the covering and will not stand without it. Netting is too stretchy to replace the covering. You could put the dome up with the frame and covering and then cover the frame with say, our sun shade ( http://www.shelter-systems.com/accessories.html ) or the like: you can buy this as rolls from Home pot and other gardening stores, and then apply a light coat of foam and then if it is strong enough (I do not know if this will work) apply say, chicken wire and a thin coat of concrete. If it works, you could then cut the clip cords to dome's cover to free it for reuse by attaching cords, connectors, and poles. With out the foam I do not think the dome with its cover is strong enough to hole the weight of the concrete. Even with the foam I do not know if it will work. Sounds like a good project. If you try it let me know how it works out.
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